SC 2/21/07 Minutes
Not Yet Approved
Staff Council (SC) Minutes: February 21,
2007
University Library Auditorium / 3:00 - 5:00 pm
Agenda
Item I: Call to Order: Susan J. Martin (SC President, 8.6128,
sujmarti@indiana.edu).
Martin called the meeting to order at 3:00pm.
Agenda
Item II: Adoption of the Order of Business for the Day.
The order of business was adopted as the order of business for the day.
Agenda
Item III: Report from the Chancellor's SC
Administrative Designee: Robert Martin (Vice-Chancellor for Administration and
Finance, 4.4511, rmartin@iupui.edu).
Vice Chancellor
Martin could not attend, but will update the SC at future meetings.
Agenda
Item IV: [ACTION ITEM] Minutes for SC 12/6/06:
Up for Approval.
Hearing no
objections, the SC minutes of January 17, 2007 were accepted as written and
entered into record.
These minutes are available online at
http://www.iupui.edu/~scouncil/minutes/1-17-07_minutes.htm
Agenda
Item V: Report from the President: Susan J. Martin.
Martin briefed the SC on the following:
·
Amy
Jones Richardson will work with the SC Office on membership & election
issues [on an interim basis].
·
A
2nd Vice-President and Membership Chair through is still needed.
·
“Thank you, Troy Barnes, for your
work as Communications Co-Chair!”
·
“Should the SC launch a staff
message board or blog site?” This topic was
broached in response to some confusion about the now-renamed “Hot Topics” link
on the SC website. The Council discussed
whether posting an open blog would be desirable and most agreed that some sort
of open forum could be quite effective and positive, especially for the
purposes of continuing discussions begun at Council meetings that have to be
closed due to time Suggestions included
that the Council use OnCourse as the blog’s platform; that the SC designate a
handful of officers, SC members, and non-SC members to blog regularly; that the
Council consider acceptable use standards, maintenance, and content issues.
·
“Should the SC sponsor a panel
discussion on performance review practices among different units and
departments?” Please forward any feedback to the SC office.
·
SC
Representative Lee Stone has agreed to represent staff on the IUPUI Safety
Committee.
·
Martin
gave an overview of Friday’s leadership workshop on Microinequities, urging SC
members to stop and think about how we all constantly send messages through
inflection/body language/etc. without realizing it. She gave an example by contrasting
introducing her colleague as “Sue” versus “Sue Herrell.”
·
The
SC Diversity Committee is drafting its own mission statement [on combating
racism and other forms of prejudice as well as promoting diversity]. The committee is programming speakers on
diversity and racism for Spring 2007.
Agenda Item VI: Report from Human Resources
Administration: Ellen Poffenberger (Assistant
Vice-Chancellor for Human Resources / Chancellor’s SC Administrative Designee Alternate,
4.8932, epoffenb@iupui.edu).
Poffenberger briefed the SC on the following:
The popular six-part, free Home Buying Savvy series
continues this Spring (see session
schedule below). You can register
for the entire series or individual sessions—and other workshops—and learn more
at www.hra.iupui.edu/signup
(you must register and create a profile
on this site, if you’ve not already).
Thursday, March 8, 12:05-12:55 p.m.,
Understand Your Credit Report and Credit Score
Learn the Four Keys to Successful Money Management
Thursday, March 22, 12:05-12:55 p.m.,
Understand the Mortgage Process & Terminology
How to Shop for a Loan
The Difference Between Pre-Qualification and Pre-Approval and
How it Affects Your Bargaining Power
Thursday, March 29, 12:05-12:55 p.m.,
What a Realtor Can Do for You
The Difference Between a Good Deal and a Great Deal
The Power of a Purchase Agreement
Thursday, April 5, 12:05-12:55 p.m.,
The Home Inspection Process:
What’s Included in a Good Home Inspection
Why You Should Be There for the Inspection
Thursday, April 19, 12:05-12:55 p.m.,
Home Insurance:
The Best Policy
The Best Coverage
The Best Price
The Features that Give You Maximum Protection
Thursday, April 26, 12:05-12:55 p.m.,
Closing:
How to Prepare
How Timing Can Affect Your Pocketbook
SC
Representative Judy Johnson has made flyers and information available about Campus Day
2007.
“Culture
Shock!” the annual Spring seminar for administrative professionals (and other
interested staff members) is scheduled for Tuesday April 10th at the
NCAA Palmer Pierce Ballroom (
Following a
successful SC-sponsored focus group of
Poffenberger
than opened the floor for discussion of concerns about the pay status of staff
on recent snow days (February 13th-14th) reiterating what
has been communicated to staff and supervisors in the past week: because the campus was not closed on those
days—classes were, simply, cancelled—staff must account for their time on those
days. Per the summary provided via
e-mail by HRA “staff who worked
on either day are paid as usual for a regular work day, staff who did not work have
the option to cover their time off in one of the following ways:
1. Use any accrued paid time off accruals
2. Make up the time in the same work week
3. Request an absence without pay and with time off accrual
4. Work from home with supervisory approval
Poffenberger
agreed that is was very unfortunate that certain news outlets did misstate that
the campus was closed and that the announcement of whether campus was closed or
classes were cancelled was delayed [until nearly 8:00am] on one of the days in
question. It is certainly understandable
that certain deans or directors elected not to do business on either or both
snow days, but, unfortunately, those days cannot simply be declared free time.
SC
Representative Jan Canganelli noted that, when her Dean closed the building,
many interpreted that as a request not to report. She—while thankful for her own dean’s
flexibility in allowing his staff to make up the time from that day and
frequent communication about this issue—is especially concerned that
communication to staff members that day was, both, inadequate and inconsiderate
to staff members without internet access at home. Poffenberger agrees that communication, in
many cases, was lacking.
SC
Representative Michelle Hurst asked what staff members who live in counties
that were placed under snow emergencies (forbidding travel except in cases of
emergency) were to do on snow days.
Poffenberger emphasized that the university does not want any staff
members, faculty members, or students to engage in any unsafe or unlawful
travel to get to work. Still, however,
the time missed due to snow emergencies must be accounted for by staff.
SC
Representative Jennifer Briscoe noted that this conversation is an important
one, even after the fact, but expressed concern about the timing of the e-mail
explaining how time should be accounted for on those days. She and others feel that the e-mailed
reminder of policy was sent late enough that it left staff with inadequate time
to make up hours for the week in question.
Briscoe asked if allocating one or two snow days annually might address
the issue. Poffenberger was sympathetic,
noting that a reminder of this policy is sent out at the opening of each
semester but that, in the future, attempts should be made to remind the campus
of the policy in advance on imminent storms.
The university cannot, however, allocate snow days.
SC
Representative Sara Reed remarked that her constituents say they understand the
policy and facts, but still feel communication about the status of the campus
should have been earlier and more explicit.
SC
Representative Sheila Chadwick noted that, while she agrees with the concerns
expressed by her fellow members, she urges everyone to set aside a day or two
to account for situations like this as it is unlikely that a university policy
would be able to address every situation.
A concern
echoed by several members was about situations in which staff are left with no
option but not to report (holiday closures, building closures on snow days,
etc.). Many staff members feel “backed
into a corner” by choices about closure that are not theirs to make, as these
closures require staff to use considerable amounts of vacation/paid/other time.
Although it is certainly not definite,
HRA’s Theresa Martin noted that their office is reviewing the possibility of
offering another option to those staff without time available to account for
the recent snow days, thus providing an alternative to going without pay. The SC thanked Martin for this consideration.
SC
Representative Christopher Walthers asked Martin if the allocation of vacation
time in January each year address the issue.
Theresa Martin explained that the suggestion has been made in the past
but has undergone no formal discussion.
SC
Representative Miki Hamstra asked Poffenberger what the snow threshold is for
campus closure. Poffenberger is not
familiar with how the decision is made whether or not to close the campus.
SC Officer
Amy Jones Richardson noted that she is troubled by the idea that when a
building is closed—when a staff member cannot physically report to work—staff
members affected must use their benefits to accommodate circumstances beyond
their control.
SC
Representative Leslie Kidwell said she believes the deans and Chancellor need
to discuss this issue in earnest and determine who has the ultimate authority
to close a building.
SC
Representative Mary O’Neill expressed relief that the Council is discussing the
issue so thoroughly.
SC President Susan Martin directed Council members’ and
guests’ attention to posters placed around the auditorium, asking that they
post additional concerns and comments on them.
Martin is also drafting a letter to Chancellor Bantz to urge further
consideration of this issue.
Following the meeting, SC Representatives and various IUPUI
staff members shared the following concerns on this issue:
“This only happens, maybe, once
every ten years, so why not boost morale/create goodwill and give us all a
break for at least one day. I,
personally, turned on the TV and saw ‘IUPUI Closed’ and now I have to pay with
a vacation day.”
“An announcement needs to be earlier
than 7:55am, clearly stating what is closed, what is open, etc.”
“The Chancellor’s Office needs to
define a threshold re: adverse weather to close campus (for example, when 4
surrounding counties are under snow emergencies) and the deans and Chancellor
need to meet to decide who has the authority to close a building or department.”
“I’d like to know a definitive
information medium where employees can find out whether they must either report
to work or cover the time themselves.
We’ll let our constituents know!”
“IUPUI needs to create snow days so
that, if buildings are closed, no staff member will be forced to use the time
they have accrued. Communication
concerning adverse weather needs to be vastly improved by the administration.”
“Reinvent the spring holiday so that
it becomes, either, a floating day for snow coverage or a day off for religious
observation or a reserved day to be used in whichever way a staff member might
need.”
“If a dean closes a building, not
allowing staff a choice as to whether or not to work. Staff should not be charged for this.”
“We should not have to use personal
time when we have no choice: counties
were closed down due to snow emergencies, etc.
Also there needs to be someone on campus directing traffic when weather
is bad and we are not closed…it can take as much as two hours to get through a
traffic light in bad weather.”
“It seems that the message is that
IUPUI cares enough about the students’ safety to cancel classes, but not enough
about the staff to close campus. The
sister of one of our staff members—also an IUPUI employee—decided to come to
work and fell and broke her elbow.”
“Several TV stations listed
‘IUPUI-Closed.’ It seems to me that if
IUPUI is ‘closed,’ IUPUI should be closed for all of us. When looking at the TV, you don’t know who
called it in (the Chancellor or not). It
is unfair to have to use vacation or sick time if you’re unable to physically
close the building.”
“An exception to the policy needs to
be made for staff members in buildings that were closed by deans.”
“A plan should be made for where
snow is to be put while being removed, taking into consideration: the width of
parking lot aisles, passable sidewalks, visibility around piles of snow, access
to parking spots.”
“The staff should not be forced to
use their PTO if deans closed their buildings.
The deans in question didn’t want anyone taking risks, but some staff
just don’t have the PTO to take.”
“I truly
do not wish to beat the snow days topic to death, but I and some of my
constituents are of the opinion that is quite unfair for staff to be penalized
in any way and forced to take vacation, sick and personal time accruals to
cover February 13th and February 14th 2007 if the buildings we work in were
closed by the Administration Head or Dean. The reason some of us feel this is
unfair is because we had no choice in the matter, and also, it simply was not
at all clear whether or not the campus was closed. What was clear was only that
IUPUI classes were closed on 02/13/07 and 02/14/07. See below for what my
constituents’ say (my constituents’ comments are stated anonymously below. I
have written my name underneath what I’d originally sent you). PA staff (and
some TE and research-level staff) have more opportunity to work from home and
may be able to use comp time. In my unit, it is very, very rare for biweekly staff to receive comp time, and that
is permitted only then when comp time is part of the individual’s specific job
description. While most of us have accrual time to use for 02/13 and 02/14/07,
I and others think we should NOT have to use vacation or sick time when the
Dean of our unit has closed our unit—and this goes for any campus unit.
This seems especially true since IUPUI as a campus unit made no collective,
uniform, concise or timely effort to inform staff of whether or not the campus
was indeed closed or open. I also hope that no one (including myself) should
fear retribution for simply trying to have an open and sincere dialogue with
campus administrators about this topic of concern. I wish to reiterate what I
stated yesterday’s meeting: I and others here are quite grateful that
University Library’s Dean is permitting us to make up the time. Tenured and
tenure-track staff do not have to make up any of the time for 02/13 and
02/14/07, as they are salaried employees.”
“I also
wanted to note that there are staff members, such as myself, who does not have
access to the internet at home so we cannot get the message unless we either
call that number or we call in stating that we can’t make it. I did not
receive [the Dean’s] messages until well after the fact.”
“Newly
hired staff may not have any time accrued to cover the two days the library was
closed due to the actions of the Dean.”
“Hopefully
action can be taken quickly on this matter.
My concern is that a decision on the issue will not be made before our
timesheets are due next Friday, after which it might be more difficult to make
things right.”
“Given
the confusion about whether the campus was completely closed or not Tuesday and
Wednesday, I am of the opinion that the Executive Committee of the Staff
Council needs to urge Chancellor Bantz to officially declare that those two
days were snow days and, in line with university policy, that we will receive
pay for the days without having to use vacation time. While Human
Resources has acknowledged the confusion of the reports about the campus status
in the media, that office is either unable or unwilling to declare these days
as snow days. Thus it seems that a strong appeal to the chancellor is the
most direct and effective means of dealing with this situation. This is a
situation that affects clerical and PA staff across campus, as they were
instructed by their senior administrators not to come in. Thus I believe
that the Staff Council is the best organization to take up this issue with Chancellor
Bantz. I also hope that the Staff Council will make forceful inquiries to
find out whether the incorrect information reported in the media was the result
of errors on the part of IUPUI or the television stations and what steps are
being taken to avoid these problems in the future.”
“Under ‘Support,
Service Staff and Professional Staff’ as copied directly from the IUPUI HR
site: http://www.hra.iupui.edu/Policy_Manual/policy/8_3.html:
The
university will generally not close because of adverse weather. It is the university’s
policy to operate at all times, and staff is expected to report for duty unless
notified otherwise.
It seems
to me that UL staff were “notified otherwise” via Library Administration on the
e-mail sent out to all staff stated (this is a verbatim quote) on Feb. 13th:
‘All - As of 7:09 classes were cancelled.
The library will not open. You
should not attempt to come to work.
Enjoy the snow day and be safe.’
And on
Feb. 14th an e-mail was sent to all staff by Library Administration
stating: ‘All - At 5:15 this morning I
was informed that all classes were cancelled.
The library will NOT open. Have a
good Valentines Day.’
Thus on
both days, University Library full-time appointed employees would not have been
able to work even if they’d wanted to, as the building was closed.
·
I
visited the IUPUI homepage from my home computers; from that site I clicked on
the adverse weather link at http://www.iupui.edu/alert/ on Feb.13th and
Feb. 14th, 2007. I also called the (317) 278-1600
number listed on the http://www.iupui.edu/alert/ link--both the
IUPUI homepage and link (above) listed information regarding the
status of IUPUI classes only--whether or not the campus was officially closed
or open was not addressed on the above links or the (317) 278-1600
number. None of the other IUPUI sites/phone numbers I visited or called had any
information re: whether or not the campus was officially open or closed.
·
In desperation I likewise called the
IUPUI campus # (317) 274-5555; the operator simply referred me back to the
(317) 278-1600 recording. Again, this recording merely stated that classes were
closed; that’s all this recording stated.
·
I watched several TV stations on
Feb.13th and Feb. 14th; even Channel 8 initially stated ‘IUPUI
closed’ and the message later became ‘IUPUI classes closed.’ But all the other
TV captions continued to state simply ‘IUPUI closed’ on both 2/13 and 2/14/07.
All local TV stations get their information from IUPUI officials regarding
whether or not IUPUI is closed.
·
My
ultimate concern is that IUPUI as a campus unit needs to better
inform all IUPUI full-time appointed staff
about whether or not the campus is officially closed or open.”
“All I am
hearing is grumbling about not being paid for the days or using PTO to cover
it. How about the other side. If the notice said 'Classes
Canceled', I take that to mean the university is till open. After all, we
need to remember that there are two hospitals on this campus so it is safe to
say the campus will never completely close.
When I checked the web site to see if classes were canceled, I also saw
the link for the policy regarding staff and snow emergencies. It clearly
stated what the policy is and what our options are. This is cut and
dry. Besides, it is our own responsibility to know the policy and
plan. To me, this is equal to an unplanned illness or death in the family
that requires us to take time off. We don't have control over that any
more than we do the weather.”
"UL
employees very much appreciate our Dean's support and flexibility in making up
time last week due to adverse weather conditions. It has been suggested by many
IUPUI staff that the Chancellor look at the issue of "weather days"
as a campus-wide communication issue, which needs to be clearly, uniformly and
concisely addressed in a timely fashion. Most representatives at the 02/21/07
Staff Council meeting felt it is inappropriate to ask staff to use already
accrued vacation, sick and/or PTO time in those instances when the Dean of
respective units close their own buildings. If the buildings are closed by the
Administrative Head or Dean, staff cannot report to work, and should therefore
not be penalized due to circumstances beyond their control. IUPUI
Administration did not make it clear to many IUPUI staff members whether the
campus was officially open or closed."
Agenda
Item VII: Reports from Standing Committees.
Communications Committee Chair Michelle Hurst reported on
her committee’s efforts to promote March as Staff Council Awareness Month
through a series of blurbs about SC’s functions, accomplishments, and history
(which should appear in as many as five campus venues multiple times throughout
the month).
Rewards & Recognition Co-Chair Lorna
Special Events Chair Karen Best gave the following report:
The SC’s goal is to generate 180 donors that day (the
current campus record for turn-out is 35). The Communications Committee is
working on an announcement of the event for distribution to SC constituents,
which also asks that each Staff Council member personally invite three people
to donate. Molly will also e-mail the
Chancellor and the Council of Academic Deans to find out if any high profile
members of campus might be available or willing to donate that day. The Special Events Committee also asks that
the Staff Council spread the word to their peers, staff, and faculty.
The blood drive will also feature an off-campus site at the
SafeCo. Building which will be coordinated by Special Events Committee Member
Nancy Gibson. Additional details about
the drive will be explained by a representative of the
Finally, Best noted:
in planning this drive the committee learned that blood drives are
frequent fixtures on campus, but seem to be poorly publicized. The committee recommends that the Staff
Council website feature a “Blood Drive Calendar” link.
SC Representative Christopher Walthers urged SC members to
participate in the blood drive, citing the statistic that a single accident
victim can require up to 100 units of donor blood.
SC Representative Leslie Kidwell asked if the Special Events
Committee was considering any promotions or giveaways for donors. Communications Chair Michelle Hurst explained
that her committee is working on a promotion along the lines of “Let’s Get
Stuck Together” with complimentary magnets.
Best explained that the
SC PRESENTS STAFF NIGHT @ THE PACERS GAME (MARCH 14TH): The Pacers will offer $4 balcony
tickets to the IUPUI community for its March 14th game. This event is being promoted in accordance
with Staff Council Awareness Month. The
Pacers ticket office is creating the online ticket order form and will forward
it to the SC on Thursday 2/23. The SC
Office will send the information out to all Council members immediately and ask
that—upon receipt of the e-mail—members please promote this opportunity to
constituents.
SC Secretary Amy Jones briefed the SC on Staff Council
Awareness Month (March), which will consist of a variety of publicity pieces
distributed to deans, faculty, and staff as well as to campus publications
(thank you, Michelle Hurst!) We are also
working with Chartwell’s to offer an afternoon or two of discounts on soft
drinks, at which time the Council could distribute educational materials. The Council would also like to have bold,
simple SC t-shirts printed to wear on casual Fridays. Additionally, the SC Officers ask that SC
members think about ways they can promote the Council in their own areas—sponsoring
a coffee break forum, holding an IUPUI trivia game, etc. Contact the SC Office for help or ideas. And, finally, the SC will offer discounted
Pacers tickets on March 14th to staff as a means of heightening the
Council’s profile. The Council agreed
that the practice of setting up SC information tables around campus was no
longer viable or effective and the decision is still being made as to whether
or not to continue the annual IUPUI-opoly game during this year’s Awareness
Month; concerns have been raised that only 2-6 people play each year.
Agenda Item VIII: Reports from the Chancellor's SC
Academic Designee: Paul Galanti (Former President, IUPUI Faculty Council,
257.6826, pgalanti@iupui.edu).
Galanti could not attend, but
will update the SC at future meetings.
Information about the IFC is available on its website at http://www.iupui.edu/~fcouncil/.
Agenda
Item IX: [UPDATE] Foundations of Excellence Project:
Scott Evenbeck (Dean –
Agenda Item X: [UPDATE] IU Integrated Image
Project: Amy Conrad Warner (Interim Vice Chancellor for External Affairs).
Warner gave a presentation on the Integrated Image Program,
initiated by the Trustees “to help establish a unified, flexible set of
standards and guidelines that enable all campuses, schools, and departments to
contribute to and benefit from a cohesive identity system.” Click http://www.iupui.edu/~scouncil/documents/integrated_image_2007.pdf
to download the Vice Chancellor’s presentation.
Agenda
Item XI: Old Business (Unfinished or Pending).
No discussion.
Agenda
Item XII: New Business / Announcements.
No discussion.
Agenda
Item XIII: Adjournment.
At 5:00pm, Martin adjourned the meeting.
.
Minutes prepared by Staff
Council Coordinator Molly Martin
UN 403 / 274-2215 / Fax: 274-2970 / scouncil@iupui.edu / http://www.iupui.edu/~scouncil
Attachments:
Agenda for February 21,
2007 Staff Council Meeting.
[Attachment
for SC 2-21-07 Minutes]
Wednesday February 21, 3:00-5:00pm, Inlow Hall Room 100
(“IH 100”)
A G E N D A (SC: February 21, 2007)
Call to Order. Susan
J. Martin
(SC President, 8.6128, sujmarti@indiana.edu)
Adoption of the Order of Business
for the Day. Susan
J. Martin
[TENTATIVE]
Report from the Chancellor's Robert
Martin
SC Administrative Designee. (Vice-Chancellor
for Administration and Finance,
4.4511, rmartin@iupui.edu)
[ACTION ITEM] Minutes for SC 1/17/07 (distributed electronically). Susan J. Martin
Report from Human Resources
Administration. Ellen
Poffenberger
(Assistant
Vice-Chancellor for Human Resources /
Chancellor’s
SC Administrative Designee Alternate,
4.8932,
epoffenb@iupui.edu)
Report from the President. Susan
J. Martin
A. Amy Jones Richardson will work with
the SC Office
on membership & election issues
[on an interim basis].
B. A 2nd Vice-President and
Membership Chair through is still
needed.
C. “Thank you, Troy Barnes, for your
work as Communications
Co-Chair!”
D. “Should the SC launch a staff
message board or blog site?”
E. “Should the SC sponsor a panel
discussion on performance
review practices?”
Reports Submitted by Standing &
Ad Hoc Committees.
A. Bylaws. (NO
REPORT) Amy
Jones
B. Communications.
(working with various committees, etc.) Michelle
Hurst, Chair
C. Diversity. (programming plans, mission statement) Gary Curto, Chair
D. Membership. (May 2007 elections) Chair
TBA
E. Rewards
& Recognition. (Bepko nominations underway) Lorna
F. Special
Events. (April 17th blood
drive, etc. ) Karen Best, Chair
G. Staff
Affairs. (SLA focus group on short-term
disability Becky Thacker, Chair
Coverage – Natalie Harvey)
Call for Reports from Other
Committees. Susan
J. Martin
Reports from the Chancellor's SC Paul
Galanti
Academic Designee. (Former
President, IUPUI Faculty Council, 257.6826, pgalanti@iupui.edu)
Old Business (Unfinished or
Pending). Susan
J. Martin
New Business / Announcements / Hot
Topics. Susan
J. Martin
- Race for the Cure: “Team Staff
Council” Sue Herrell (1st Vice
President, 4.4477, sherrell@iupui.edu)
(4:30) [UPDATE] IU Integrated Image Project. Amy Conrad Warner (Interim Vice
Chancellor for
External Affairs)
(4:45) [UPDATE] Foundations of Excellence
Project. Scott Evenbeck (Dean –
Adjournment.
CIVIC
ENGAGEMENT UPDATE: If you have cell phones that you are no
longer using, why not donate them to the Indiana Coalition Against Domestic
Violence (for reprogramming for emergency use
by victims)? You need not include chargers or accessories of any kind. Contact
Representative Becky Thacker at rthacker@iupui.edu or the SC office at molmarti@iupui.edu to arrange for
pick-up. Many thanks!
Next Staff Council
Meeting: March 21, 2007 from 3:00-5:00pm in Inlow Hall
Room 100.
Agenda prepared by Staff
Council Coordinator Molly Martin: UN 403 / 274-2215 / Fax: 274-2970 / scouncil@iupui.edu / http://www.iupui.edu/~scouncil
Staff Discounts URL: http://www.iupui.edu/~extaff/perks.htm
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